“Three years for the field (three-field system ?)Three lifetimes of the field for the hound.
Three lifetimes of the hound for the horse.
Three lifetimes of the horse for the human being.
Three lifetimes of the human being for the stag.
Three lifetimes of the stag for the blackbird
Three lifetimes of the blackbird for the eagle.
Three lifetimes of the eagle for the salmon.
Three lifetimes of the salmon for the yew.
Three lifetimes of the yew for the world from its beginning to its end.”
That our favorite author [[Eleanor Hull, “The Hawk of Achill or the legend of the oldest animals in the world,” Folklore, Vol. 43, No. 4 (1932): pp. 376–409] comments in this way.
“We arrive thus at 59,050 years,i.e., two multiples of three more than the Westminster calculation, which made 6561 years ; i.e., down to the salmon in the Irish list.”
We may presume that on the Continent ancient Druids attributed to our world much more than the 60,000 years evoked by the islander tradition. In any case what is certain is that the ancient Druids did not believe in a creation old of 5 or 6000 years only like the Judeo Islamo Christians, but juggled in this respect with literally astronomical figures with which the Greeks also made fun as Strabo and rather comparable to those of the Hindu cosmogony: 4 320 000 solar years (mahayuga) before dissolving and to be recreated.
Strabo Geography Book IV chapter IV 4 " Moreover, not only the druids, but others as well, say that men's souls [psychas in Greek language], and also the universe, are indestructible, although both fire and water will at some time or other prevail over them. "
As for the Greeks, two more words.
Heraclitus, like all the thinkers of Ionia (Thales, Anaximander) thinks "that, the substance remaining, only its states change,” "that nothing is created and that nothing is destroyed" (Aristotle, Metaphysics, A, 3) . He sees in all things a place of contradictions and he considers passing these contradictions in a harmony. He adds the idea of period, of Great Year, estimated at 10,800 solar years.
Heraclitus thinks that at one point the world is ablaze and that at another time it reconstitutes itself from the fire, according to certain periods of time, in which, he says, it kindles in fixed measures and goes out in fixed measures.
“This order, which is the same in all : things no'one of gods or men has made; but it was ever, is now and ever ,shall be an everliving. Fire, fixed measures of it kindling and fixed measures going out".
Later the Stoics shared the same idea.The most famous defenders of the eternal return in the West were indeed the first Stoics, Zeno, Cleanthes, Chrysippus, before Diogenes of Babylon and Panaetius. The concept is of Babylonian origin. Several ideas are contained in the notion of eternal return.
-Astrological cosmogenesis. In the beginning, the primitive and divine Fire creates, by condensation, the Air, then comes the Water, finally the Earth is deposited. The planets are then aligned. According to Porphyry, who is a Neoplatonist, and not a Stoic, "the theologians posited Cancer and Capricorn as these two gates. The one through which souls descend is Cancer and Capricorn is the one through which they ascend.
-The cycle. Diogenes of Babylon evaluates the Great Year, that is to say the period at the end of which the planets regain the position they had at the birth of the world, at 365 times 10,800 years.
-The final kindling (ekpyrosis). The conflagration is designed as the destruction of the world and its resorption in the divine Fire.
-Repetition. The events return identically.
-Eternity. This cycle is repeated endlessly.
As for the survival of the soul, the opinions of Greek philosophers are divided. For Zeno, the soul survived the body well long enough, but ultimately would vanish. For Cleanthes, souls subsisted until the conflagration. For Chrysippus, weak souls died at the moment of death, or shortly after; only those of the wise; who knew how to resist passions, participated in this restricted immortality.
LET US REMIND NEVERTHELESS OF THE FACT THAT the notion of eternal return is not Greek. The eternal return is a concept of Mesopotamian origin taken up by several philosophers, according to which the history of the world unfolds in a cyclical fashion. After several thousand years ("the Great Year"), the same series of events is repeated, identical to the previous one, with recomposed